Episode #6
Off Book The Improvised Musical
With Hosts Zack Reino and Jess McKenna
Note that transcripts are generated using speech recognition software and are checked by over-worked and under-paid interns. So, please excuse any inaccuracies. Thank you.
Zack 00:00
You want to tell us about the day Conan came to town randomly? Want too talk about that? Conan O'Brien randomly shows and you guys were clearly sort of thrown by it.
Zach Reino 00:08
Well he just sort of walked into the studio when we were recording with – yes.
Jess McKenna 00:12
So he was on mic the whole time and performing like we were in our show, but not understanding what our show is.
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Conan 00:22
Well excuse me – I was told I was invited in this room, I was never told it had to be an improvised song.
Zack 00:27
That and so much more. Coming right up on today's episode of The Pod Spotter.
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MUSIC OUT OF BREAK
Zack 03:22
Okay, I'm starting, we're gonna start talking now into microphones. Hi everybody. Hi, pod people. Welcome to The Pod Spotter. My name is Zack Robidas and I have a delightful little treat for everyone today. That one is Zach Reino that one is Jess McKenna, there hosts of Off Book. The musical improv comedy podcast, did I say any of that correct?
Zach Reino 03:29
All of the nouns were correct, they were all accurate in descripting the podcast, they were not said in the order of the podcast,
Zack 03:35
My bad, my bad, set me straight, set me straight. You can do your intro if you want.
Zach Reino 03:42
Off book is the improvised musical podcast. But it is comedy and we didn't put that word in there but maybe we should have.
Jess McKenna 03:45
Maybe we should have, it’s a good punch-up.
Zack 03:47
think you're okay with keeping it out because not many words rhyme with the word comedy. It's one of those tough ones. Any of the emphasis on that third, but first syllable the - what is it called - the pen, not the penultimate? Antepenultimate. They are like notorious hard rhyming words. So, I see why you left it out.
Zach Reino 04:11
Is this like your Shakespeare background coming in.
Zack 04:14
I’m getting way, way too in the weeds and we barely even introduced you guys or what you do.
Jess McKenna 04:21
I was going to say, God bless you for thinking we would run with every syllable. We would definitely just take that easy, easy E on the end. You know? Here I am making up comedy. I do it in here it’s with Zack and me. You know what I mean? I wouldn't worry about
Zack 04:38
See, that would be my, that's my whole problem with what you guys do. I overthink and then it would be a disaster because that's sort of the number one rule, right, of what you guys do is you can't think, you got to just go with improvised musicals. You just go.
Jess McKenna 04:54
I would say that you can't let your thinking get in the way but I would say that there's actually a fair, there's a fair amount of of thinking and training that we've done that now we hope operates of just sort of a backdrop, because we've done it so many times. I don't want to make it seem like, oh, it's just this magical thing that happens, either, you know, we act, we are thinking, I am thinking, here comes a chorus, let me set a comedic, let me set sort of the comedic big idea in the chorus. Okay, I'm thinking those thought. I'm just not overthinking and letting the thinking keep me from making moves.
Zack 05:26
You’ve done the work by now
Zach Reino 05:30
Yeah, its muscle memory at this point. But I think like the whole don't think of it all make sense as a sort of teaching tool for newer students. Because the number one thing when people start doing improv for the first time is they get in their heads, and then they spiral. And then all of the machinery of the stuff that you've practiced just goes out the window, where like you should think, in, you know, rehearsal, but when you perform, it's like you perform and what stuck has stuck. And what hasn't stuck, you go back and you think about what you get back into rehearsal.
Zack 05:58
Well, before we get too deep into how the sausage is made, I think I just want to play a song that I've been singing for the past three weeks, and my wife is tired of hearing. And I think it'll be like sort of cleansing and cathartic to play it for you guys. And it sort of demonstrates what you do on a weekly basis in a very fun way.
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Jess McKenna 06:21
So grab the hand of someone you like, and you can skate to get around this Friday night. And when you feel like you can barely understand how you can stay speeding up we'll just hold the hand back and one foot goes forward, and one goes back. And you can pick it up together you can pick up the slack.
Zach Reino 06:46
We’ve done so many of these -
Zack 06:52
I’m a wallflower! I know the next bar. I just love that song. My wife is so tired of. She'd be like moving around me too fast.
Jess McKenna 07:00
What a compliment.
Zack 07:02
Is it weird re-listening to songs? Do you go back?
Zach Reino 07:06
Almost never anymore.
Zack 07:09
Yeah, I think I remember in one of your interviews, you were like, I, I we do them and they're gone from our brains.
Zach Reino 07:16
I remember them. Like when you play them. For me. I'm like, Oh, yeah, that's I think Aaron Whitehead is the guest of that episode. And like, that's the sort of like third act at a skating rink, where everyone is coming together. And Jess is doing a very, very, very good DJ in this particular number. Um, but yeah, there it's like, you know, every episode has 10 songs, and we just recorded Episode 152. So unless you like, play one for me, I'm like, oh, yeah, that probably happened. That sounds like a thing we would have done.
Jess McKenna 07:54
Which is also why I think it's really tricky when people are like, so what are your favorite episodes? At this point? We're like, um, and a lot of them are like, I don't even think really truthfully, they're like, very early ones, just because I think those are burned into our brains. And then maybe I've given that answer so many times. But like, I'm like, oh, yeah, that was a great episode. And that was recent, but it really has become so, so many. There's so many in my head.
Zack 08:18
Yeah, you're quite I mean, you're the most prolific musical writers in America, like Sondheim? A couple other people, Andrew Lloyd, I don't know. And then you guys, right?
Zach Reino 08:30
People said that a lot. We get that a lot. People email us. And Sondheim is always like, guys, how do you do it? And we're like..
Zack 08:39
Yeah, like, there's a world in which, you know, future generations sort of discuss if, much like Shakespeare, if you two actually wrote all of these. There will be a lot of disccusion. I believe Wicks actually wrote that one. You know, that's a good opportunity to mention the team around because it's not just you two, there are there is a whole team in the studio helping you write these. These are one hour episodes, you guys, they're in two acts. And in those two acts, you'll typically hear, what, six songs, six or seven original songs that you write on the spot. Is that right?
Zach Reino 09:15
I'd say like at least that many. Yeah. And then we have sort of Co Op. So initially, we started this with our pianos to most of the time is Scott Passarella, was an incredible pianist. Also came up in the improv scene, but is just like a fantastic musician. And we started with just him. And then we co-opted our producer, who also plays drums to play drums on the podcast and our engineer who also plays guitar and is the guitarist for Man Man band actually, to play guitar.
Zack 09:48
Is that Brett on the Frett? You make it very easy to memorize your crews name.
Jess McKenna 09:55
Yeah, that's right. Dana Wicks-on-the-sticks. Although I think she'd be I've in my mind I think she might become Wiccans forever.
Zach Reino 10:02
We just like saying stickens.
Zack 10:05
Yeah. It's just a fun little atmosphere though, when you're you guys that you've created. It's just a fun positive little vibe that you've cultivated of just like positivity. And anybody that comes in that is nervous, because you also have guests, you have the special guests every now and again, and you just really create fun, let's all hang out together vibe,
Jess McKenna 10:26
Yeah, thank you. I think that that is I'm born out of like Zach and I’s dynamic and the band's dynamic as well and that we all really love doing it. And it's, especially I think, like for Dana and Brett, who then put their like producer and engineer hats on for the rest of the day. I know, it's like a really fun play moment for them. But also, like, if we didn't have that, as our ethos, it would be 10 times more intimidating for that guest walking in. And that guest is already most of the time like, why did I agree to do this? What’s about to happen, this is terrifying. How did I get like convinced to do this? So I think one of the one of our biggest jobs is making sure that the guest feels comfortable and excited. And like there isn't really a wrong move for them to make that Zack and I will take whatever they throw out there and make the musical keep going.
Zack 11:17
I got to say it's the best when like, it's very good when you have someone you know, capable, like when I get to see you guys, your true, like the low level superhero power that you both possess, is when you have somebody that is not as capable and you are like, like the hoops you will jump through to save them and boost them up. It's like, it's amazing. And it is like I know hyperbole. Like it feels like a low level superhero talent and ability that you possess. And actually I did want to, you know, uh, I had a little bone to pick with you, Zach. Because we are friends, we hung out a couple times in person. And if I had that ability that you have, I would, I would, I would bust that out, I think in you know, in ordering food at a restaurant or, you know, just start rhyming extemporaneously, and is a skill useful nowhere?
Zach Reino 12:18
I mean, like, I think you realize that as you were saying it, you're like, well, you could have busted this out at a restaurant and just started like rhyming while you did your order. And then Zach, you thought about it for a second you thought, wait, hold on, wait, if someone actually did this with me, I might have that person committed and never talk to them. What we have here is sort of a realm in which Jessica and I have spent hours and hours and hours hitting a very, very specific skill set.
Jess McKenna 12:49
And we are currently doing it in one of the only way it works.
Zack 12:54
I feel like children's birthday parties is another opportunity for you, bar mitzvah.
Zach Reino 13:01
Yes, huge, huge market.
Zack 13:10
Yeah it is a strange, strange ability that you possess. And I maybe you can talk just a little bit about like, the 10 years of work that has gone into this ability to just rhyme on the fly. You know what extra, like if someone was coming to this today, and they were like, I want to be able to do what you do, where do you tell them to start?
Zach Reino 13:20
A little bit of it as a mental block, right? Because I always tell new students that they actually know how to rhyme if I gave you like a piece of paper and a pencil and put you in a corner and said write 10 words that rhyme with tree, you would go in there, you'd be like tree being knee three, me, whatever you would be able to do it. It might not happen, like incredibly quickly. But you know the rhymes, the thing that actually gets in your way, is the fact that you are in the middle of doing like a narrative improv story, and you're also doing comedy. And so all of that machinery is trying to function at the same time. And rhyming freaks you out. And then you spiral. And in the spiral, you stretch yourself out, and it gets hard. So the number one thing that like makes it easier, is just the hours that you put in to where it's not stressing you out anymore. There I mean, we also you also we practice it like there are many even people that don't do musical improv. There's a lot of like rhyming exercises that people just the straight improv world.
Zack 14:25
Will you do that with guests prior to each, like what is the sort of ramp up, what’s the conversation like?
Zach Reino 14:33
Jess will do the exact same spiel that we give every time
Jess McKenna 14:38
Great. Yes. So it'd be like, okay, great. So, um, what's gonna happen is…
Zack Reino 14:47
Even the tone is correct
Zack 14:48
I feel BABY birded I love it. So cozy. Yeah, yeah, sure, go.
Jess McKenna 14:51
The three of us are gonna have an organic conversation. We're just going to talk about anything that occurs to us. It can be anywhere from two to five minutes long. Don't even worry about it. We're just going to lead an order conversation between the three of us. And then when Scott feels like he's found a good pocket to explore, he'll start underscoring. And what's going to happen then is that Zack and I will usually narrate the transition. So say we were all just talking about why have you never used this at a restaurant, then Scott might start playing. And then Zach and I might narrate something like, we go to a very expensive restaurant where a large group of people are trying to make their order together. And then what's going to happen is we're gonna do an opening number, and you don't really need to worry about introducing any important characters in this moment. This is just an exciting time for us to introduce the world, that whole song could literally be, we're at a restaurant, we're at a restaurant, look at us, we're at a restaurant, it doesn't need to be overly complicated. And we'd say like, just jump in earlier rather than later, the sooner you sing, break that seal, get involved. And then from there, we're just going to tell one story. And Zach and I are really going to take care of that we have a clock here, that's for us, don't worry about it. We're gonna be watching time we're going to do one act, then we're gonna take a little break, you can get water, go to the bathroom, we'll talk about how how great you're doing. We'll go over names if you want. And then we'll pick up the second half. We'll continue the second half of that same story, then we're going to do a segment the end, but I'll explain that when we get there. Do you have any questions for new soundcheck at the moment?
Zach Reino 16:10
Don't worry about rhyming, our guests don't care if you rhyme, don't worry about how well you sing, our guests don't care if you sing. Like truly, they just want to hear you get involved. And we are there to like take care of you make you look good. So that's it.
Zack 16:24
And that’s when I respectfully decline because I’m terrified. It’s a scary thing. I’m a peformer and it's hard when the words are written down and you haven't memorized this thing is hard. And so the fact that you guys have removed any safety net from beneath you, is admirable and terrifying. And it's so darn fun to listen to.
Zach Reino 16:43
Thank you so much. It is like a reverse safety net, though. Because the - you can't mess it up when there's nothing to mess up.
Zack 16:52
And how messed up are your brains by this process? While we've been talking, have you been like, oh, that was a musical? I would have known that. There goes another, or in life does that happen to you a lot?
Jess McKenna 17:05
I don't know if that happens, but it does make me uh, it does sort of give you this sense of like, we have to write this down. I have to memorize this, everything else is like, like I don't know, I can like roll up and just perform if you have me.
Zack 17:21
That's amazing. Because in preparing for this pod where they like soliciting sound cues, and you're like, ah, let's see where it goes.
Zach Reino 17:29
I think we actually didn't send you any and we were supposed to. They were like, yeah, it was like send us your favorite songs. Just play one and we'll talk about that one.
Zack 17:41
This is a lull in the interview where I would normally play one but they didn't send us any so I don't. I don't. I don't have any. Actually what I do what to play. And it's not a lull, I'm kidding. Can I play the podcast rap? Which is not really part of your but it seems very on-brand. Let’s play your improvided podcast rap.
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Here we go. All right.
Yo, I know. I'm friends with Nicole. I'm friends with your wife
Can you give me some words on This American Life?
Everyone knows a life that I’m sharing in, it is a life that is strictly American
And everyone knows it's a podcast I will not go pass
I got to listen to the Ira Glass
Yo, Zack, I know this. Oh, no. Can you talk about My Dad Wrote a Porno?
I would love to
A bunch of British gents
Reading stuff that the dad meant to write down and also have read by people
It's very racy
I wouldn’t read it in a church steeple
Oh, hey, Jess
This is how we ball
Can you shout out to Reply All?
Reply All, yes I can with PJ
Jess McKenna 19:00
What a true blast from a very long past. Also, I always felt guilty that I pimped Zach into rapping about My Dad Wrote a Porno and he didn't listen to it and I do. I was like, oh darn, I shouldn’t have given it to you.
Zach Reino 19:04
I want to make this apology and retraction - My Dad Wrote a Porno is not hosted by three gents. It's hosted by two gents one woman.
Jess McKenna 19:14
That’s right. And I remember that I put him in that position because he doesn't know. I can’t correct him, he doesn't listen to it.
Zack 19:20
Because you guys are going off of a not a script, but you have just keywords written down. Right for that?
Zach Reino 19:25
For that, that was specific. That was an unusual thing. Like our network was like, it would be fun if we did a podcast to try to like get the attention of other podcasts. So they basically gave us a list. And we threw the names of those podcasts at each other to make the other one rap about it. That is almost never how we do we don't have anything written down in front of it.
Zack 19:46
No notes nothing? But then how do you return to the reframe every time? How do you remember a reframe? I don't understand that, I don't get.
Jess McKenna 19:55
Well you try to set one that's really easy to remember.
Zack 19:58
You Jessica, you specifically I see you, you're like, I know where you guys are going, I'm gonna I'm gonna put a gift wrap bow on this and create a reframe for you. You seem like very, I don't know, you're very capable when it comes to just like, let me focus all of this energy into here's the refrain, here's the story we're telling.
Jess McKenna 20:18
Oh, thank you. Yeah, I think that I do sometimes have my eye for that, especially because like, more often than not, like Zach is coming off of like speed rhyming details. So it's like, Okay, let me set the chorus that will sort of set the tone and the idea that will be easy for us all to sing. And we'll also help tell the guests like, this is like what it's about, you know, like, so if it was like Zach, you have to sing about all these like wigs, then I might like, let him take a breath and be like, the wigs, the wigs, the wigs, where they name your truth, you know, like, whatever, try to like give the guest a clue.
Zach Reino 20:55
That's a song all about how like we're talking about wigs. But really, we're
Jess McKenna 20:59
Really we’re talking about our truth.
Zack 21:01
Got it, got it.
Zach Reino 21:01
I think we are both sort of have a mindset where, yes, we will let other fun sort of tangents come in and inform jokes, but what we really like, is to find one idea, and truly see how far into that one idea per song. We can, like, get the comedy of that idea out, which is just easier than having to think of three really funny things. Think of one funny thing and see how far you can push it.
Zack 21:27
And when you're thinking about that funny thing, like let's say, you know, the topic is a laundromat, you know, just run me through as soon as you've landed on laundromat, where does your work like in that like matrix? Matrix moment of your mind? What sort of think process is happening? Okay, laundromat, here are the things, often what I hear is okay, we're seeing about a laundromat, let me find the operative sort of funny word like soap. And then you'll take a little a short walk to get to soap build set up. So with dope or something like that. Is that what is happening?
Zach Reino 22:01
Partially, yes, I mean, if the scenes
Zack 22:03
And were getting real in the weeds here, but it's super interesting.
Zach Reino 22:06
I love it, I mean like, if the scene is in a laundromat, the actual first thing that will happen, because that rhyming machinery will not turn on until a song starts, it takes up too much brain space. So the first thing that will happen is we'll just be like a scene between Jess and I, and or the guest or whatever. And that is just like that said, don't think just listen scenario where we're just trying to build I mean, there is all the sort of improv fundamentals of like, where is this laundromat? Who are these people? What's going on? All of the not funny, but foundational things that let this scene breathe. And then once the song starts, there are basically two schools of rhyming. One is almost identical to what you just described, where you have like target words, words that are like, yeah, nouns that are sort of in the brain cloud of laundromat that's like, everything getting dyed red, or soap, or coin or detergent, and then the words that rhyme with those words, you say those words first, to then work back to the words that rhyme with those words, which are the actual laundromat parts. So you say dope first, so that when you say soap at the end of the second line, it sounds like a joke, even though really, it's just a reference to laundromat. And then the other half of the rhyming machinery is not doing any of that planning and just jumping off the diving board and finding something in the pool when you get there. And you need to be able to do both because I won't be able to plan every single rhyme.
Jess McKenna 23:36
And then like, I think I could, you know, wigs, wigs, wigs, the wigs that you name your truth has no rhymes in it. So I think always, always remembering that sometimes, like if I if that's if that's really what that song is about. But then I make the chorus like wigs, wigs, wigs, wigs, and some are big, it might rhyme, but it's actually not as funny. And it doesn't do as much to inform my teammates what the big idea is. So I think rhyming is something that you should practice at, but also like, this is why a lot of early students are told just to not even try, because you still want to make sure that your song is good, and not just good. But like, you know, for Zach and I we really try to keep a lens on keeping it funny. You know, we I think we've coached and seen a lot of early students who they sing a lot of songs that don't have any comedic teeth to them. And the reason is they're either getting caught up in the rhyme there too. It's too early, which is like, I absolutely understand. You're trying to just get the mechanics of like, how do I do this, but you should bring your improv training in before you bring in your rhyming training.
Zack 24:41
Do you guys have a lot of like, do you have a lot of sports in your background or? Jess it seems like you, the times I hear you break and laugh the most is when you set someone and they take it or when you set Zack and he takes the bait and like spikes it and like it's just like a very, it seems like that's where you get the most joy. And I guess, if you could talk about that, and what it's like, having to make this music now, when you're isolated in the time of COVID.
Jess McKenna 25:09
No compliment could be received more joyously than thinking of any sports background. I mean, I have like some very, not very, I do not consider myself like a particularly athletic person, nor do I follow sports that closely. But I, but we do say often that part of the appeal to us is that improv is team sports. And that is a that is a great joy for me. And there's very, there's almost nothing you can give Zach that he can't, like, completely dunk on. And that is, thank you. Oh, my gosh, it is a really fun thing, especially like he's definitely a faster rhymer than me, and so sometimes where I'm like, actually, I do need that as a as a list, you know, like, and I'm sure like, our completest listeners know that at that point, that's maybe a trope or something that I lean on. But that's because it's fun as heck. And if we're doing 150, there's there has to be things that keep it fresh for us. And those little sort of like inside “winky” moments where I'm like, hey, you know, what I really need you to do is I need you to like, wail on this as like this, this certain type of a character that I know you can do really well, or the certain type of song genre. And to your question about, like, how it's changed during quarantine, we've been doing like, totally different types of episodes where that's, we have to just sort of like chat, and sing songs solo, I mean.
Zack 26:33
Let me just remind pod-people that you there are three basic elements to your – there is three basic kinds of shows, when they're going to tune into Off Book you'll either hear the in studio band and you guys creating musical in studio, then you do your lives, where you're out in the world in public doing them. And then you also do these under covers, which you've sort of resorted to that style more recently.
Zach Reino 27:02
These are totally a creation of COVID. We did not do these before at all.
Jess McKenna 27:04
Except for Jason Mantzokas one time. But yes, he was like, a long time. He was just like, I just don't really not, I don't really like musicals that much. And we're like, but just come on, and we'll do something different.
Zach Reino 27:14
But something that we did find. So in the end, we're sort of going away from this now. And it's complicated, and I can get into the tech of how we're doing it. It is boring, and I won't get in. But the when we started having to do this podcast remotely, because there is a small delay over the internet, having a pianist and two singers all in three different spaces makes it basically impossible to do songs together and have it all sound lined up. So for a while, we were like Jess said, we were doing songs solo, and in retrospect, it makes perfect sense. But after we had been doing that for a couple episodes, both Jess and I were like, oh, this is this was fine. This is a good stopgap. But it really feels like work and it really feels different. It's really not as much fun. Like, what I like about doing musical improv is not doing a whole song that is made up. It's building it with someone, it's getting to, like, react to something that I didn't expect in the middle of a verse and do the chorus about it two seconds later. I think that's what makes -
Zack 28:26
It’s not isolated. It's not it's more isolated now. It's more just this individual. I'm just out here, again with the sports reference shooting threes, as opposed to all of the past thing that you normally get to do. This is a good opportunity while we're talking about this to maybe play another sound clip. And while we have three alphas in this Zoom, and we are talking about Zach’s sort of deafness and speed with the English language, let's hear this is you guys doing undercovers that that sort of away from the flower musical. This is you guys making music in the time of COVID with Alphas on Zoom.
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When you're recording at home on a Zoom
And you're trying to hear, figure out what's going on
Yeah, you know that’s
Okay. Gotta pay attention personality types
The people that are loud aren't the people you like
You got so many in a little screen
You got so many ‘cause of quarantine
What you supposed to do
Your freaking now
Everybody's starting to blink and shout
You can't hear the voice because the voice is too loud
And now you know the one guy is proud
You got an alpha on the Zoom
Six alphas on the Zoom
Everybody's shouting making crazy room
Because there are six alphas on the Zoom
Zack 29:44
so good. I know I'm playing a lot of wraps and it's not only what you do you guys do other things. I'm playing a lot of raps. Why is rap so big?
Zach Reino 29:52
Because it's a heaviest weightlifting of rhyming in musical improv. It's like also should be duly noted – Jess and I, in case you can't tell from our incredibly white voices are incredibly white people.
Jess McKenna 30:05
I think rapping is a common exercise in improv classes, even if it's just an improv class because it's to build a skill level of like trusting yourself to leap and find something. And it's getting people to a place where they can get out of their head. And it's trying something scary, but it like at a measurable small, little pace. And so actually, when Zach and I were first performing together, we were on a team that just liked rapping to warm up for our shows. And then we integrated rap into our show. And then yeah, just like trying to make sure that we're treating like that space, appropriately of like, that is a the joke is not that we're dorky at it, but also like, we are dorky at it. Like we are, I think I think there's a little bit of a push and pull there. But it is hard to do. It's really fun practice because it's fast and complicated.
Zack 30:59
Are there foundational musicals from your background? Like Sondheim, like that, that you maybe in your childhood, that you still draw on, like principles of those musicals? Like, Jess I know, Oliver, you always talk about Oliver and you can kind of hear that and something like your characters are often aspirational. And so I guess I'm curious, like, what influences there from early musical theater days are still prevalent in how you design these made up musicals?
Jess McKenna 31:27
Yeah, I think for me, I love, I love a clear optimistic want song. And that comes from lots of musicals. But we want it to be like funny and we want to be like funny first with great songs. And a lot of like, comedic exploration that we're following a plot but like, we never want to feel like we couldn't diverge because something fun is happening right here. So I love that. And I feel like Les Misérables is a big musical that really influenced that but so is Westside Story. So as a lot of Sondheim those, like competing lines of melody, where you get to hear multiple characters at once, sort of like, say, where they're at and move us towards a finale.
Zach Reino 32:07
Jessica is more likely to play like our protagonist in our musicals, I am more likely to play our villain. We both play both. But that's just like, if you looked at the graph of what happens, that just tends to be
Zack 32:19
Oh Zach, you just gave me the perfect segue to our first game, will you indulge me and play a game?
Zach Reino 32:26
Oh, we’d love to play a game.
Zack 32:28
There is a game and this game is called, “How well do you know your baby?” and I'm gonna ask you three questions to see how well you know your baby. And with the knowledge that you both stated that you do these and then immediately erase them from your brain. But we'll see. We'll see how it goes. We'll see. How well do you know your baby? And I'm gonna ask you three questions. If you get them right. You're playing for stakes here too. There's something on the line whose. If you get two out of three, right I'm going to put some merch of Off Book on this bookshelf. Forever, or for the two weeks that we do this podcast? I don't know, we’ll see. Are you ready for your first question of How Well Do You Know Your Baby?
Zack 33:20
Zach, the villain, conjure the voice that you used for the character The Evil Camel God in the musical, ménage à trois? Capture the essence or the voice of evil camel God.
Zach Reino 33:40
Okay, I'm getting the lyrics, “Nom nom nom. I'm going to eat your Mom.” That's something I said so. Nom, Nom, Nom, I’m going to eat your Mom. Probably something in the raspier spooky airspace of an Evil Campbell God,
Zack 33:59
Eas delightfully raspy and spooky. Let's hear if it's correct.
Cut to Excerpt:
Look at me boy
Oh this camels talking to me!
Nope. Just in your head
Oh boy
Look at me boy
Um okay
Do you dare to think that you can subjugate me?
I don't plan to do that
You are worthy to ride upon my humps? My humps my lovely camel lungs.
Zack 34:23
Beautiful. Well done. Close enough, you got that. Okay. Guys, there is a great song - nom nom nom I'm going to your mom - right before that dialogue that is Episode 99. If you want to start there. It's a very fun episode that takes place in the desert. And it's a lot of fun to listen to. Question number two. Jess you could take it right here if you get this correct. I'm gonna play you a song and you have to tell me what musical it's from and who was the guest. I'm looking for the musical and the guest.
Zach Reino 34:54
You’ve got this I believe in you.
Jess McKenna 34:57
I really don’t feel like I remember titles.
Zach Reino 35:00
I can assist.
Zack 35:01
Zach, you did the titles a lot right?
Zach Reino 35:04
Yes, because Jess is busy driving the goal and then she's like well now is the time to stop and in that five seconds I think of the title.
Zack 35:12
Got it. Okay, here's the musical you're gonna tell me, once more, the name of the musical and the guest.
Cut to Excerpt:
Summer jobs, summer jobs
Gobs and gobs of summer jobs
Making your muscles glisten and gleam
While you scoop out some hot pack ice cream
Summer jobs, summer jobs
Jess McKenna 34:57
Yeah, I think I know. I think I know. I think it's Andy Daly. It's a something Prozacly. Everything Prozac is Prozacly what you need?
Zack 36:03
Very good, I'll accept it. Everything Is Pre-zactly What I Need” guys to hear some musical improv harmony, which you do regularly. You just improvise harmonies, and of course, the wonderful musicians in the background that was really good that you were able to sort of like, I watched your brain like rifle through the files like what the shit is it? Oh, there it is the Andy Daily. Okay, question number three. I'm going to read the lyrics of a refrain from one of your musicals to see if you can remember how the tune goes. Okay, so I'm gonna read the words flat and see if you can remember how the tune goes. Are you ready?
What is the tune for? Is this is subversive puppet show. Is this a subversive puppet show? Can you sing that?
Zach Reino 36:52
Not even a little bit.
Jess McKenna 36:55
Is this is a subversive of puppet show? Wow, I feel like I can't even
Zach Reino 36:59
That’s the Sarah.
Jess McKenna 37:01
Oh, yes.
Zach Reino 37:02
The Sarah Kaplan's episode.
Jess McKenna 37:04
Yes.
Zach Reino 37:08
But no.
Zack 37:10
Does anyone want to take a shot?
Zach Reino 37:13
This is the part that there's not even a mixer of what this sounds like.
Zack 37:20
Because the other things you have to enter into, like, you know, the podcast thing. And the thing is, it's like you have a relationship with the titles and the guests. You're, you're emailing guests, but this is like, you create this and it's gone into the ether immediately. Let’s play it.
Jess McKenna 37:34
Okay, great.
Cut to Excerpt:
Is this a subversive puppet show?
Is this a subversive puppet show?
Jess McKenna 37:45
I did weirdly have a moment where I was like, I feel like our first instinct would be that that song is like, is this a subversive puppet show? Something like fast? And I was like, I feel like that's not right. I feel like it was a weirdly big.
Zack 38:04
It was big. It was big and beautiful.
Zach Reino 38:06
Do you remember it more? There are maybe 10 songs that I could tell you sort of what the melody was like, only because someone has sung them back to me. Yeah, like, I can't even sing you the melody of a song I did last show. Well, I don't think.
Zack 38:24
There's probably not one musical in your canon. Like if I were a big-time musical producer fella. And I was like, here's a pile of money. I want you guys pick one. I want you to fully produce one of these musicals? Is there one that you would ever even want to revisit some of the themes and the ideas?
Jess McKenna 38:42
Yeah, there’s some stories and characters where we're like, oh, that we like stumbled upon something or that was a fun world or, but we wouldn't remember.
Zack 38:51
Which? Do you have an episode specifically that you would send, you know, listeners to maybe here's a good one to start. This one really showcases sort of like what we do and the fun that we have.
Jess McKenna 39:01
We recently got to pull out like, so we only have our most recent six months in front of a paywall. And we recently though, got approval to pull out like an additional favorite, some of our favorites, some of our additional favorites. So I would say like the beginning of our scroll right, and those will stay out. They're not like at risk of going away. So I would say any of those.
Zach Reino 39:26
Yeah, I'm looking right now. Episode 13 is called Attorney at Love with Nicole Parker. There are very few guests that have Nicole Parker's skill set. She was both Elphaba on Wicked and yeah, was in Mad TV. Like she's incredible. That's Episode 13. That one's very good. Taran Killam Episode 62.
Jess McKenna 39:54
It’s about a young poet who gets scouted by like a poet, poetry agent. But actually, maybe his friend is the better poet. And then meanwhile, there's a bunch of poetry hooligans.
Zack 40:07
But let's take a quick break here. We'll be right back.
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Probably my one of my most interesting, I found the most interesting piece of audio and of course, it happens to be one of the largest names on your feed. You want to tell us about the day Conan came to town randomly? Want too talk about that? Conan O'Brien randomly shows and you guys were clearly sort of thrown by it. So you're recording in the middle, you're at intermission, and he so this wasn't like an Andy Daly connect or there was no conversation. It was just
Zach Reino 42:32
This is the first time, I don’t know about Jeff, but this is the first time I had ever spoken to him. We'd like seen him in the office because he's around but you know, he's a famous person, you know, when you give him space, he's just here to do his thing and work. And, and we were in the middle of an episode. And I think he thought we were recording an episode we weren't
Zack 42:51
and that is what regular collaborators right. That's what Paul and
Zach Reino 42:54
Paul Thompson and Nicole Parker.
Zack 42:57
And Conan waltzes in because he hears somebody talks some something going on.
Jess McKenna 43:02
So they was there was sort of like a plan from Dana to like, if you keep the door of the engineer room open, you can hear and she had tried that a couple times because she just
Zach 43:15
As bait?
Jess McKenna 43:17
Kind of, truly, and her being a good producer of like trying to like see if he would be interested so that maybe one day he would guest or just like you know, take an interest in it anyway. And then we've Matt Gourley is his producer and Matt Gourley is a member of Super Ego and done a ton of podcasts on Earwolf has been on our show twice. I think maybe he was like, oh, yeah, go check it out. Like as in go stand and listen. And then someone was like, yeah, no, go ahead. So he just walked in, we happen to be at a break. And so we, we were like, we're explaining what it was. So but he was on mic the whole time, and performing like we were in our show, but not understanding what our show is. And we were like, yeah, we like musical.
Zack 43:58
Let's play the clip and listen to a little
Jess McKenna 44:02
Great, this will feel like a fever dream revisited.
Zack 44:04
And then we'll chat about it.
Cut to Excerpt:
44:09
I refuse to rhyme
I refuse to rhyme
I won’t improvise any kind of rhyme
I’m not going to rhyme, I will not rhyme
I’m just not going to rhyme
Yes, a rhyme sometimes it can belong but it’s only a part of the song
And if I can be oh so bold
It’s only a part of the whole
A part of the whole, yeah!
Excuse me, I was told I was invited into this room, I was never told to be in improvised song.
Zack 44:38
So let me just talk about briefly why I love this piece of audio so much and why I would send people here first because, you know, in just learning about you know, your journey and all of your work that you guys have both done as a collaborative team and you know, learning about things that have inspired you. Jess, you talk about often about The Simpsons being a big inspo for you and your source of comedy. And then to have someone who wrote for those peak years come in o your zone into your space. I just want you know, like most people were sitting around watching the MJ doc. And it reminded me of like Michael Jordan hanging out, like by a court and seeing like Kobe and some kids, like the younger class playing, and he like is like, oh, there's basketball going on, I want to go see if I can play and he comes in. And, you know, he's doing a sort of trope that he does often this like, I'm too good for this or I've been hoodwinked. You know, and you get to hear in this episode, a young improviser who was influenced by her hero, go toe to toe with, you know, somebody who has been influential part of her life, and you totally rise to the occasion and you crush, you know, he clearly kind of wasn't, you know, he's shooting some air balls or whatever, like, it was fine what he was doing, but then you, you find and you find your footing, that clip that I played, like, it’s clear, like the first time you start singing, you're like, Okay, is this really happening? What's going and then by the second verse, you're just like, boom, I know exactly what I'm doing. I'm accessing all of my training. I'm going to crush this moment. And I think you do, I think it's just an awesome piece of audio to have. And that is episode, for people that want to just get right to that, 116 when Conan comes to play, the episode itself is also very good. But then that interesting piece of audio for me has been something that I've been thinking about a lot lately.
Jess McKenna 46:29
Oh thank you. Yeah, I think for me, he is a giant influence. And so like and his sensibility. His years on The Simpsons are like a yeah, I mean, to think of that song and to just like, hear the monorail song in the background, but like some of
Zack 46:47
The ring came off my pudding cam.
Jess McKenna 46:49
I mean I know like he truly is a massive, a massive influence on me. And so it was sort of interesting to navigate. I also felt like, I'm just like, I didn't know how to help that moment for Paul and Nicole. Like, here they are
Zack 47:05
Again, the helper again, the helper.
Jess McKenna 47:11
I’m just gonna sound like such a Girl Scout. But like, I just was like, this is they're, they're here to be on our show to promote their show. They're our friends. I don't want to like suddenly ditch what we owe them in this moment. Because this like famous person is here. They're excited to well, Paul, so because he like knows him and his like, you know, but I don't think Nicole had really met him before. So you have a lot of people who are just like, huh, and what? And, and like, yes, certainly, it was a surreal moment. Um, he I mean, he's very kind of nice and, but is definitely like playing up that thing of like, well, what is this you kids do? Crazy. Oh, Rob, just make it up?
Zach Reino 47:53
He has sort of like, I would say friendly disdain for the art form. Yeah. Which is weird, because it is actually the modern like justice handing out the modern version of it is actually something that I think he does, but it is not the version of it that he would have done at Groundlings.
Jess McKenna 48:10
And let me be clear, I have the same disdain for improv because it's very dorky. But it's also very cool. And is a great and I think I think he would appreciate a little bit, I think would align more with some of the more like recent trends and improv and how they train a brain to actually be more like a writer's brain more like what I think he comes from a place of, of still being a great performer, but having that sort of writer side of your brain working even as you're improvising or riffing.
Zack 48:40
Yeah, it makes sense. I feel like that. I mean, the biggest thing that UCB did for me and I only took like, a couple classes, but the biggest thing it does for young actors, it's like just kind of helps people find their voice like who are you and what do you bring to the table? Like, use sort of, and he is a person who has never had a problem with like, with his identity or who he like he knows firmly who he is. So I don't really like -
Jess McKenna 49:03
I think he has a strong point of view. Yeah, I think yes, that that was a really surreal moment. And like you know, exactly, I think I would have Oh, it would have been awesome if he was like actually a guest and could see us like build this thing not just this weird.
Zach Reino 49:20
We’ll get him!
Zack 49:22
He’s a get! He's a get he's a big cat. What about your, now who is listening to this pod? Who are your, tell me about the sleepy babies? Who are the people that you hear from?
Zach Reino 49:43
The sleepy babies is the name that our fans have given themselves.
Zack 49:44
Which is how you know, I’m trying to create, I keep calling people pod people that are listening. I'm trying to create my own. You can’t make your own. The sign of a true podcast that has made it and as establishes they will name themselves.
Jess McKenna 49:53
Based on an ad read. I mean, wow, just a sweet poll. Um, yeah, we have, I think most of our audience is still influenced by the fact that we're on Earwolf, a very, like a comedy network. So we have a we have a large amount to sort of a surprising degree, we still have a very, like comedy nerd audience. It hasn't like,
Zach Reino 50:15
It's mostly like men between the ages of, you know, 16 to 30- 40. That sounds like a broad thing, but it is truly not if you wanted to take a snapshot of who you think our listeners would be. It's not that we have like, the Earwolf audience and then we have been lucky enough to, to grow and sort of like, the LGBQ plus spaces. Like, we have a lot of queer listeners, which is wonderful. We have a lot of female listeners, which is wonderful.
Zack 50:47
It's musical theater people, but also it's no.
Jess McKenna 50:51
It is it's a lot of like, hey, I did musicals in high school, and I miss them and or, like I did musicals, and I never really got them and these ones are more for me. But it isn't that isn't as big of our audience as we would A) hope or B) think like, in terms of the hope is just I mean to expand like, I wish all kinds of people listen to our show. I don't mean like, I wish we had those people instead of those.
Zack 51:12
I have different podcasts for different I'm very habit, sort of a habitual you know…there are sleepers. There are morning ones. I wouldn't I wouldn't start my day with you guys. But I'll go for a jog. I'll go for a jog for sure.
Zach Reino 51:26
We're a gym podcast for a lot of people.
Zack 51:29
Become a sleepy baby and take a jog with Z and J here. What were you saying Zack, sorry? I’m such an Alpha on Zoom.
Zach Reino 51:35
No you’ve got to be an alpha on Zoom because there’s a delay and if you don’t speak over someone you’ll never be heard. I was just going to say that the other notable thing about our wonderful fan base is that they are sort of aggressively a positive self-regulating space, which is very cool because internet communities can be not that and they're very careful about being respectful to each other. And sort of being welcoming and trying to kind of continue the positive ethos that we try to foster in our podcast because like Jess said we know that this is sort of an escape space for a lot of people.
Zack 52:18
Let's see how good at identifying you identifying sleepy babies you are in one more game if you’ll allow it called “Spot the troll” and I'm going to read you three reviews. Comedy threes. You see I keep returning to this number. I'm going to read three reviews of your podcast found on either iTunes or Stitcher - I won't tell you which. Two are real, one is fake. Can you spot the troll? Are you ready?
Jess McKenna 52:49
Yeah. Number one
Zack 52:57
Number one: Incredible I didn’t know improv got that good.
Number two: The voices don't match their faces but damn are they talented.
Number three: Z and J know how to get the job done. Which job? The job?
Two is real, one is fake.
Zach Reino 53:13
I was fully expecting one of these reviews to be like this is garbage, I hated musicals before and I hate them more.
Zack 53:21
No, is that? I couldn't find a bad one. They were all glowing and five stars. You clearly deleted those from Earwolf.
Zach Reino 53:29
My radar, Jess, says it's one of the second two it's two or three.
Zack 53:30
Incredible I didn't know improv got that good; Two - their voices don't match their faces but damn are they talented; three - Z and Jenna how to get the job done. Which job? The job.
Jess McKenna 53:44
You know, I feel Zach gets a lot of stuff on the internet about like, that's what I thought he looked like. I don't know that I get it as much so I feel like maybe Zach could have been inspired by truth.
Zach Reino 53:55
To write that second one. Yeah. That's true. Because no one ever says that about Jess, I get it all the time. But no one ever says that about Jess’s voice.
Zack 54:07
I heard it in an interview and I was doing that thing, exactly Jess. Talking about a single strand of trut to try to smokescreen you. Well done guys. I'm definitely going to display some Off Book merch top shelf pod, for sure. Since it's the last five minutes of the podcast I have an ongoing theory here, Zach and Jess, that no one listens to the last five minutes of any podcast that by now they're done cooking or the job is done with secrets in you. So, I'm developing some secrets actually that's called go ahead - no one is listening. And this is an opportunity for you and I to say whatever we want because everyone has stopped listening.
Zach Reino 54:49
That’s incredible, Zach.
Zack 54:51
If you want to tell someone you love them or tell off a former boss or just like share something from your day, now is the time to do it. I will go first so you can consider your moments of “go ahead no one is listening”. But I want to talk about wetting the bed and how that was a big part of my life, growing up as a child. I was a big bed wetter. This is fine, no one's listening. I could tell you guys I'm not embarrassed by this at all. And you know, eventually it goes away after you know grade school pretty late in the game, you know, off and on throughout, late in the game, I finally kicked that habit. Horrible, horrible, horrible affliction for any young man. I have one instance in high school at a sleep over and if you've ever been at of sleep over with a person who wants to play the let's not go to bed game. Let's stay up all night. That's the bed wetter of your friends. That's how you identify that person. So that was me trying to keep everyone awake. Because I had this fear from when I was a kid. I can't fall asleep. You know? I can’t wet the bed, it's high school. I know really sad stuff. No one's listening. But listen, that night at the sleep over, I’m sleeping on my buddy's couch and I try to stay up. We were you know, we were drinking a little bit. So it was a little exacerbated by that. And sure enough, I wake up at six in the morning and the couch is soaked, I don’t know what I’m going to do. High school is starting. You know, I'm like, surrounded by all these high school people. I don’t know why I'm whispering I don't need a little whisper, no one's listening. And, and so I don't know what to do. I'm panicked, friends are around me. I'm at someone else's house. I can leave and just go and never come back and run home. Or I can take this there was a cup of class iced tea next to me? And I just fucking dump that tea all over me and all over the couch. And then I woke up my buddy. I was like, ah, Andy. Andy. I'm sorry. I spilled tea all over me. You got an extra pair of shorts. No problem, gets me in shorts. The next morning his grandmother helps me clean the iced tea stain and she's touching it. And I'm like, no, no, no, it's okay. I'll get it. I'll clean it. And so this is an apology to grandma who was touching pee and thought it was ice tea. I'm really sorry. But that tea saved me and she helped save my high school career.
Zach Reino 57:13
I wish I had more. I'm delving for secrets. I don't want you to
Zack 57:20
I don't need that. It could just be about you know, your day. No one's listening to be anything. You could just make a fart noise. You could sing a song for us if you want, no ones sung and that's what you do you sing songs. I didn't make you do that.
Zach Reino 57:31
I'm gonna sing a song about some of the many variations of songs that I do sing alone to my cats for various things that they do in in the sort of in the sort of day so there's good.
Zack 57:49
Can Jessica do anything?
Zach Reino 57:51
She can. This is a written song. This is a song I sing multiple times, for my one cat that likes to try to eat yogurt when I've opened up a yogurt. She comes in and goes yogurt, yogurt, give me the yogurt! Feed me feed me. Please feed me yougurt. I want yogurt. And my name is boo. My cats name is boo.
Jess McKenna 58:19
If no one’s listening I will say sort of antithetical to the two of you bonding over cats. I don't really understand pets.
Zach Reino 58:28
yeah, I've heard this take. I don't like it.
Zack 58:32
I don't understand it.
Jess McKenna 58:34
Yeah, I sort of missed missing like a fundamental, something in my DNA. Like, I remember watching Titanic with my friend Krista. And she loves dogs so much. And early in the movie like a fancy dog gets walked on board as they're like loading up all of Roses, fancy stuff like her car. You see, like all the rich people stuff. And there are two dogs and like the movie Titanic ended and I was like, horror struck and she was like, what about those dogs? And I remember being like, that's baffling to me.
Zach Reino 59:05
Nah, she's right. What about those dogs?
Jess McKenna 59:07
You know? Like, not that I don't care about those dogs. But I don't understand. I don't, I don't have the thing that makes me like dogs and cats more than any other animal.
Zack 59:17
To a doc. We cut through a duck of a ship. No, no, no, no.
Zach Reino 59:21
So like at the beginning of John. Have you seen John Wick? You like yeah, they're all very they're all extremely good. Connery is extremely good. So like, that's not the beginning of that movie for you. Like you would be pissed if someone killed your dog.
Zack 59:36
That’s good question. Movies. Nothing, nothing from animals in movies dying?
Jess McKenna 59:41
Oh, no, no, no, for sure. But like, to understand that like hundreds of people died. And like we've watched like horror or like there's a frozen baby in their mother's arms. And she's like, what about those dogs?
Zach Reino 59:55
And a dog or two?
Zack 59:58
Yeah, that's because that's the age old rule of cinema though, like you can kill 100 people in that movie. And, you know, it's doesn't mean anything but one dog, the one dog that dies.
Jess McKenna 1:00:09
The thing about that being a rule about a movie is that's a true thing that happened. So I was like, those are these people think this true story, that can't be your takeaway.
Zach Reino 1:00:19
It's not like John Wick where no like dog nor the hundreds of people that he killed are real.
Zack 1:00:26
Movies like Where the Red Fern Grows is like a comedy for you?
Jess McKenna 1:00:32
No, the takeaway does not go that far. The take is I don't understand why I care more about a cat than a giraffe. I don't. You know what I mean? Like I have I don't have a different attachment.
Zack 1:00:43
Well, whatever it is, it's the reason why these animals have survived so long and they have entered into people's homes because we all feel it. And it's very strange.
Jess McKenna 1:00:51
I don't I'm some sort of weird alien who has who's like, I get it. Like, they're very pleasant when I meet my friends, dogs and cats. I'm like, these are sweet. I just, uh, there's no, like, I love and respect animals, but I don't have the different attachment level for domesticated ones.
Zack 1:01:09
Well, I do think you're an alien. I think Zack is an alien. Since I started, no one's listening. It doesn't matter. You're aliens. And you've just admitted it. And that is why you have this capacity with the human English language. And you're able to spit damn rhymes and then verses as fluently as you do. I'm trying to wrap it up. This is I'm trying to get the clean out. I don't know that was that good.
Jess McKenna 1:01:31
Yeah, it was lovely.
Zack 1:01:33
Guys, thank you so much for doing this and talking to me about your pod. Where can people find it on all of the platforms? Right on all of them all the things.
Jess McKenna 1:01:43
Yes. Thank you so much. Thanks for having us.
Zack 1:01:44
Anyone give me a little acapella outro anything like and that's the end of the show. Even if it's that, I promise not to steal it and use it forever. And if we do, we'll pay you.
Jess McKenna 1:01:56
And now you've reached the end of the show.
Zach Reino 1:02:01
Pod Spotter – with Zach Robidas.
Zack 1:02:06
I'm going to use both I'm going to dump them over top of each other and it will end every show. Guys, thank you both for doing this.
Jess McKenna 1:02:13
Thank you.
Zack 1:02:14
Thanks, everybody listen to Off Book - the improvise musical podcast or wherever you get your pods and thank you guys.
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